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	<title>Comments on: Chuck and Randy Got Married. Let&#039;s Keep Them That Way.</title>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4378</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Leahpeah and Daddy Scratches... you two sort of missed my point.  First, I have no fear; second I was only referring to marriages between two consenting adults.  With the exception of NAMBLA, I had consenting adults in mind when I made reference to uncles/nieces, sibblings, etc.  NAMBLA I just mentioned because the ACLU fought hard allow free speech to NAMBLA.  The reality is, once a group of people is allowed &quot;unconventional rights,&quot; then others will follow.  On my second point about religious institutions refusing to marry gays is real.  It&#039;s already happening.  Just as gays have a right to marry, so should clergies have the right to refuse marrying them.  A right is a right is a right.  I&#039;ve never opposed gay marriage, nor will I.  In fact, my husband&#039;s mother is gay (she came out late in life), and I was glad (not sure my husband was).  Again, this is not such a black and white issue...for many it may be; not so much for me.  It&#039;s my right to think like this.  We are talking rights here, correct/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Leahpeah and Daddy Scratches&#8230; you two sort of missed my point.  First, I have no fear; second I was only referring to marriages between two consenting adults.  With the exception of NAMBLA, I had consenting adults in mind when I made reference to uncles/nieces, sibblings, etc.  NAMBLA I just mentioned because the ACLU fought hard allow free speech to NAMBLA.  The reality is, once a group of people is allowed &#8220;unconventional rights,&#8221; then others will follow.  On my second point about religious institutions refusing to marry gays is real.  It&#8217;s already happening.  Just as gays have a right to marry, so should clergies have the right to refuse marrying them.  A right is a right is a right.  I&#8217;ve never opposed gay marriage, nor will I.  In fact, my husband&#8217;s mother is gay (she came out late in life), and I was glad (not sure my husband was).  Again, this is not such a black and white issue&#8230;for many it may be; not so much for me.  It&#8217;s my right to think like this.  We are talking rights here, correct/</p>
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		<title>By: leahpeah</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4377</link>
		<dc:creator>leahpeah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Victoria,

Thanks for taking the time to comment how you feel. I&#039;ve heard many of your concerns from friends and family over the past few years and I continue to believe that while your concerns are as valid as any other person&#039;s are, they are grounded in fear, which makes them highly suspect to me. If we come from a place of fear then I don&#039;t think we are open to the truth, we&#039;re more just open to whatever comes along that takes away our uncomfortable feelings.

I think the point I take the most issue with is that you&#039;re comparing same sex love as equal to sex acts like molestation when I believe that to be most inaccurate. Same sex love between consenting adults or same/near aged kids is not deviant, but just another way humans show love to one another. And in my opinion, the world needs all the love it can get.

Lastly, saying that gays and lesbians should be satisfied with civil unions because they are almost the same, just different, in my opinion is like saying black people should be fine with drinking out of the drinking fountain in the back because it&#039;s still water and in the same room and why can&#039;t they just be happy drinking out of their own fountain and stop making us feel uncomfortable by being in our space and having the same rights?

Gay and lesbian love and marriages take absolutely nothing away from straight love and marriages. Both are prone to problems and divorce. Both need cultivation to stay strong. And both are the attempt of people trying to make the world a better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Victoria,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to comment how you feel. I&#8217;ve heard many of your concerns from friends and family over the past few years and I continue to believe that while your concerns are as valid as any other person&#8217;s are, they are grounded in fear, which makes them highly suspect to me. If we come from a place of fear then I don&#8217;t think we are open to the truth, we&#8217;re more just open to whatever comes along that takes away our uncomfortable feelings.</p>
<p>I think the point I take the most issue with is that you&#8217;re comparing same sex love as equal to sex acts like molestation when I believe that to be most inaccurate. Same sex love between consenting adults or same/near aged kids is not deviant, but just another way humans show love to one another. And in my opinion, the world needs all the love it can get.</p>
<p>Lastly, saying that gays and lesbians should be satisfied with civil unions because they are almost the same, just different, in my opinion is like saying black people should be fine with drinking out of the drinking fountain in the back because it&#8217;s still water and in the same room and why can&#8217;t they just be happy drinking out of their own fountain and stop making us feel uncomfortable by being in our space and having the same rights?</p>
<p>Gay and lesbian love and marriages take absolutely nothing away from straight love and marriages. Both are prone to problems and divorce. Both need cultivation to stay strong. And both are the attempt of people trying to make the world a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Daddy Scratches</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4376</link>
		<dc:creator>Daddy Scratches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria wrote: &quot;I am not, in anyway, comparing NAMBLA with gays.&quot;

Actually, you just did.

You also compared gay marriage to marriages of &quot;half-siblings, uncles and nieces, groups.&quot;

None of those comparisons are valid; we&#039;re talking about allowing the marriage of two consenting adults who are not blood relatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria wrote: &#8220;I am not, in anyway, comparing NAMBLA with gays.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, you just did.</p>
<p>You also compared gay marriage to marriages of &#8220;half-siblings, uncles and nieces, groups.&#8221;</p>
<p>None of those comparisons are valid; we&#8217;re talking about allowing the marriage of two consenting adults who are not blood relatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4375</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I don&#039;t have a problem with gays getting married. I am areligious and an independent.  My first problem with gay marriage is that it is simply &quot;unconventional,&quot; meaning, I don&#039;t want state or federal sanctioning of gay marriage to lead into a slippery slope into other marriages, like half-sibblings, uncles and nieces, groups.  Once a group of people are giving &quot;unconventional&quot; rights, how will a state or federal law prevent other groups from seeking the same rights granted gays? My second issue with it is, will religious institutions be penalized or lose their non-profit status for opposing marrying gays?  If so, I am opposed to that.  Religious institutions have traditionally preached family values as it pertains to &quot;traditional&quot; marriage, and they have a right to continue in that tradition.  It&#039;s not as black and white as it appears to be. There are civil unions available for gays, there are all sorts of legal documentation that allow gays to have the same legal rights as traditional husbands and wives, regarding illness, joint ownerships, wills, trusts, etc. I believe that all people have equal rights, but legalizing gay marriage may open up a can of worms that than keep us in courts for decades to come.  As a side note, NAMBLA seeks liberalization of laws so that adult males may have consentual sex with underage boys?  Will they be seeking marriage rights as well? (I am not, in anyway, comparing NAMBLA with gays, but trust me, once a group is given certain rights, other groups will follow.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I don&#8217;t have a problem with gays getting married. I am areligious and an independent.  My first problem with gay marriage is that it is simply &#8220;unconventional,&#8221; meaning, I don&#8217;t want state or federal sanctioning of gay marriage to lead into a slippery slope into other marriages, like half-sibblings, uncles and nieces, groups.  Once a group of people are giving &#8220;unconventional&#8221; rights, how will a state or federal law prevent other groups from seeking the same rights granted gays? My second issue with it is, will religious institutions be penalized or lose their non-profit status for opposing marrying gays?  If so, I am opposed to that.  Religious institutions have traditionally preached family values as it pertains to &#8220;traditional&#8221; marriage, and they have a right to continue in that tradition.  It&#8217;s not as black and white as it appears to be. There are civil unions available for gays, there are all sorts of legal documentation that allow gays to have the same legal rights as traditional husbands and wives, regarding illness, joint ownerships, wills, trusts, etc. I believe that all people have equal rights, but legalizing gay marriage may open up a can of worms that than keep us in courts for decades to come.  As a side note, NAMBLA seeks liberalization of laws so that adult males may have consentual sex with underage boys?  Will they be seeking marriage rights as well? (I am not, in anyway, comparing NAMBLA with gays, but trust me, once a group is given certain rights, other groups will follow.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lotta</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4374</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I  meant &quot;You&#039;re&quot;. I&#039;ve been inhaling too much bead glue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I  meant &#8220;You&#8217;re&#8221;. I&#8217;ve been inhaling too much bead glue.</p>
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		<title>By: Lotta</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4373</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get how they can &quot;take it back&quot;. Your married, no psyche your not married! It&#039;s ridiculous.  Everyone who wants to get married should. And what better boost for the economy then letting gay men plan weddings. Please, that national debt will be resolved in no time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get how they can &#8220;take it back&#8221;. Your married, no psyche your not married! It&#8217;s ridiculous.  Everyone who wants to get married should. And what better boost for the economy then letting gay men plan weddings. Please, that national debt will be resolved in no time!</p>
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		<title>By: Daddy Scratches</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4372</link>
		<dc:creator>Daddy Scratches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, on a night when so much went so right and left so many of us feeling so good, the outcome of the Prop. 8 vote feels so, so wrong. And &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage5-2008nov05,0,1545381.story&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these a**holes&lt;/a&gt; look WAY too excited about their success at inserting their despicable and discriminatory beliefs into a state constitution.

Discrimination and denial of civil rights don&#039;t get resolved by a public vote through which the discriminators are allowed to codify their bigotry; they get resolved at the judicial level or at the executive level ... and those who say court rulings that protect people from being discriminated against are examples of &quot;legislating from the bench&quot; are sorely misguided; they are examples of judges doing what judges are supposed to do: uphold the constitution. Those who think changing the constitution to purposely deny a group of people of equal rights are the ones who need to be stopped, not the judicial system.

Wow, who put this soap box here, and how did I end up on top of it? Sorry. I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, on a night when so much went so right and left so many of us feeling so good, the outcome of the Prop. 8 vote feels so, so wrong. And <a href='http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage5-2008nov05,0,1545381.story' rel="nofollow">these a**holes</a> look WAY too excited about their success at inserting their despicable and discriminatory beliefs into a state constitution.</p>
<p>Discrimination and denial of civil rights don&#8217;t get resolved by a public vote through which the discriminators are allowed to codify their bigotry; they get resolved at the judicial level or at the executive level &#8230; and those who say court rulings that protect people from being discriminated against are examples of &#8220;legislating from the bench&#8221; are sorely misguided; they are examples of judges doing what judges are supposed to do: uphold the constitution. Those who think changing the constitution to purposely deny a group of people of equal rights are the ones who need to be stopped, not the judicial system.</p>
<p>Wow, who put this soap box here, and how did I end up on top of it? Sorry. I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: deezee</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4371</link>
		<dc:creator>deezee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fingers crossed for a No on 8 victory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fingers crossed for a No on 8 victory!</p>
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		<title>By: Howling Point &#187; Another Reason for Marriage Equality</title>
		<link>http://leahpeah.com/blog/2008/10/16/chuck-and-randy-got-married-lets-keep-them-that-way.html#comment-4370</link>
		<dc:creator>Howling Point &#187; Another Reason for Marriage Equality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finally through with the wedding posts, but then found this in a comment elsewhere.  In response to Leahpeah&#8217;s post on our wedding and reception, and her beautiful photo, Ozma wrote I’m truly digging those shirts. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] finally through with the wedding posts, but then found this in a comment elsewhere.  In response to Leahpeah&#8217;s post on our wedding and reception, and her beautiful photo, Ozma wrote I’m truly digging those shirts. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ozma</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, I am such a dork. Such a conservative dork. I&#039;m pro-marriage. For everyone. I want everyone to get married. Yay for gays and lesbians getting married. That&#039;s my inner puritan speaking.

I&#039;m truly digging those shirts. Many have spoken out on the fact that gays and lesbians shall ensure that weddings simply become more and more fabulous and if nothing else, we need to agitate &#039;til the cows come home to make sure this happens in every state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, I am such a dork. Such a conservative dork. I&#8217;m pro-marriage. For everyone. I want everyone to get married. Yay for gays and lesbians getting married. That&#8217;s my inner puritan speaking.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m truly digging those shirts. Many have spoken out on the fact that gays and lesbians shall ensure that weddings simply become more and more fabulous and if nothing else, we need to agitate &#8217;til the cows come home to make sure this happens in every state.</p>
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